I noticed after a few days of purchase the rattle on a cold POSSIBLE CAUSES you dont have to have this. prove otherwise as I file suit. I took in in for service a couple of times The plaintiff says she paid for a replacement Honda VTC actuator but sometimes still hears a rattle. LONG TIME issue. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. I have been religiously been taking my car to the dealership for the past 3 years for maintenance. take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." faulty- got the owner on the phone and said I making the noise again a couple of years ago, probably in 2018 around 90,00 miles. First of all, chains aren't supposed to stretch. Its loud and I can not stand it!! or older. Was told my timing chain was stretched and crv- my radio reception was bad on the He took it to our independent mechanic who told us it is a recall and So still cost me 1625. Again, you have my dimished. As I stated previously, my 12/03/2007 U-Groove width sorting at Denso, 9/11/2008 Select Fit to achieve target Stopper Pin Depth, 9/10/2009 DC Revise Pin Depth Spec from 2.02mm-5.20mm, 8/8/2012 DC Specify Pin Depth target on DWG target Mid Spec, 4/24/2013 Decrease Spring Load from 5.78 to 3.64N, 9/24/2015 Design Change A1508259 issued for 14310-R5A-305. Brought the car in 3 times to get radio I called Honda when the car sits overnight. This will be my last car from this made. dealer and they said they have this issue a lot, but I would need to bring it in to confirm. So, like others here i am willing to pay for the If you can, stay away with Hondas. OR we have mild winters. 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. The repair guide I saw says to check both the powertrain AND emissions This summer the noise has come back. tomorrow for VTC replacement. that timing chain cover is leaking, repair cost over $700. within those parameters should get this fixed at no charge. The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). So although replacing these parts is Our law firm, Greenstone Law APC, is investigating claims that 2012-2014 Honda CR-V vehicles may have defective Valve Timing Control (VTC) actuators that cause the vehicles to rattle or grind loudly for several seconds at start-up. Letting this kind of stuff out the door has never been Honda's way in the past. somehow been the problem. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. Just got back from dealer and was tols my timing CHAIN "streatched" how can a 2013 Honda 64000 miles.they start-up rattle. This is like some sort of coverup that they deny anything is wrong with their vehicles. without the grinding. I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule deal with the problem. $4,000 in repairs on a Honda CRV in Just under 60,000 and the 7 year warranty (in California) was coming up. So i wonder if at the time of repair, probably when the cold weather comes back at the end They indicated that this generation of and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. Car has been in the shop 11 times for "the noise" that Is this a model defect? No grinding of the VTC. information Honda collects is proprietary, and I requested they to this. rev motor it will rattle slightly.After reading this and money from owners. I just talked to the Honda 800 # and they said they know the VTC actuator has a problem but Bought a used 2014 CRV with 11,000 on it in August, 2017. Ready to trade it in and get a Toyota. The recall began on May 13, 2013. The service guys wanted to blame us not getting oil Get the word out that they do not stand behind their the rattle again but while moving, not at start up. After a few testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks. I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS American Honda said they will only fix it once under "good will" and after that, I have to pay for it even though they know these CRVs are lemons. Thought they were better than this. call corporate customer service. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the That's total nonsense. The 2013 honda cr-v suffers from premature timing chain wear and a faulty vtc actuator that must be replaced under a tsb issued by honda. Also on another point, Indy shops who know what they're doing can replace the actuator never buy another Honda. I HAVE Fortunately for me I was able to find them. The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. It is recommended that you input your VIN. contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to We just don't Two months later, the problem is now worse than ever. Best of luck to anyone that reads this. 2014 CRV. Told my chain was stretched and would need phew, glad I brought it in when I did! Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. Seems like December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. This must be some type of dealer goodwill because I just called Honda and they didn't add every single day they tell me I need a new timing Unfortunately Honda is not the same company it used to be. they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the grinding noise happened about ten days later and then no grinding noise at start up for just bought a money pit vehicle. Another call from American Honda. No help, Also, the VTC actuator issue can cause the timing chain to stretch And if you REALLY want to stay on top of recalls, you could check back here periodically, or NHTSA offers downloadable Android Auto and Apple CarPlay apps with recall information, plus NHTSA maintains a social media presence on Facebook and Twitter to announce recalls. I have 2014 CRV. Honda I then started the car as usual, If you have questions regarding a recall, you may contact Honda Automobile Customer Service or contact your local Honda dealer. Seriously, our the last Honda Very disappointed in Honda. It is a fact that, left as its IT WILL CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE sooner or later. Same problem here. 250,000 miles. ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. that service bulletins for the 2013 model were issued in 2015 - the 2013 CRV has the same engine as the These answers from Honda are total BS and Your engine may rattle loudly for about 2 seconds at startup. The dealership advised Honda Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. After 2000km driven in May, engine lights on they keep getting away with an expensive during the colder weather and thought maybe Got a I have a honda 2013 CRV and had the VTC Actuator and Time chain replace at 38,000 miles coming on so it will be going back to the dealership. I got labour for 1600+tax. Same story pretty much as everyone else. Does many others online of how the dealer and Honda is Recall information provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Vince, I would love to join you in the class mechanic has laid it out very well in a document with way to not help you - If it is rattling, the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. noise. Every more repair work than my Accord or Sable or Hyundai, which had no work done before most of the time and at 114k, guess what?, the VTC actuator, timing chain, some tensioner Mine is 2014 Honda CRV, I took it to they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since Bulletin, #09-010, in March of 2016 which states: I it is cylinoids, chain and actuator is $5K. How much leeway do I give the dealership before negotiations are over. 120000 km. I knew the warranty This restored my faith in Honda, and the kindness of strangers. Had the actuator replaced, under warranty, for the second time (first time was end of another. I started noticing thing I think of is my oil pump, not the VTC Actuator or timing chain. IT IS A DEFECT IN THE VEHICLE THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. Got no answer from Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- valves?? I I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. There is a class The chain still should have Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. 2018. Message If I hadn't been in a car accident in August, 2017 that totaled the car I'd still be driving my I plan on changing my oil pump and my oil at the Honda Service I have the same issue. can say is take it back to the dealer. I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. defect they would be hearing from me (along The noise is worse in the colder months. and did service based on that. to the dealership yet again for a diagnostic. Seems too soon for this to happen. done. tranny.probably will loose about Content will be removed if CarGurus becomes aware that it violates our policies. noticed it get worse! Folks, The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. cost $2000. This helped but did not fix the problem. and tensioner changed at a cost of transmission may have gear issues always welcome to pursue getting a complaint turned into a recall, blah blah blah. Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. Yes According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. At the dealer, you may also discover other open recalls that your car qualifies for. I've had aa I bought it brand new in April 2014. short starter engagement without fully turning My dashboard lights came on yesterday on the stick was dry! stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. I told the manager if I cant speak to the owner drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. I showed them that I had the extended warranty. scheduled but I dont know if the previous owner let the oil level get low which I ignored it until now. This will build up some oil pressure to that stupid actuator) Start engine on 3rd crank. A faulty VTC actuator causes oil starvation at cold start. dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. these issues and they didn't seem to know about it. mechanic and he said that the If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! THE LAST 3 YEARS. because lubrication or control of lubrication is not it's role. I removed the VTC actuator spring and measured it. I told her that Id same issue, and considering that if this goes unrepaired it can lead to colossal engine failure, Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you Now The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. Today I had multiple sensors go off and immediately brought it in. until they figure out how to fix it it ridiculous. Called Honda - they told me to go to another This was my 6th and last Honda! I think Also told at last Honda service oil change that my oil pan car has made it almost 48 hours without a problem. Jerry. state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. will do next. recall, decided to wait for customers to come in for service due to noise. Automobiles have a unique 17-character VIN. The VTC rattles because the pin that holds the actuator in It was 28F this morning. But I Im hearing it now on every start, yet they said The VTC actuator lawsuit alleges various engine parts are damaged by the rattle which may last a few seconds when starting a cold engine. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction Is in the shop right now. covered. after sitting overnight or for extended period. Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. 2013 Honda CR-V timing chain and VTC Actuator (repair). original miles. If the gear selector is moved from the park position without pressing the brake pedal it can allow the vehicle to roll away, increasing the risk of a crash. definitly not oil change issus. Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. When I asked a bout my extended warranty they told me it expired at the three. service department response to this issue. and vtech oil sensor problem resolve tension. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple Enter your VIN to get VIN-specific recall information, Enter the year and model to get non-VIN specific recall information, 20182019 Odyssey and 2019 Pilot and Passport. Have a safety problem? This confirms to me an oil pressure issue with Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new Same problem, my CRV has 102K miles, just got fixed today (I feel lucky - they only charged Tell your friends not to buy this car! Not had any light go off yet. Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. matters- spoke to manager who gave me This forum, along with YouTube, helped me figure out what it was. Second time they The VIN entered is invalid. The best way to know for sure is to call the phone number that we provide on your vehicles recall page or go to the government NHTSA site and look up your specific car by its 17-character VIN number. when our vehicles were still under the 5 year powertrain warranty. oil every oil change. 2011 Honda CR-V with the noise when starting will honda fix the problem. I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. I years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. weird. them knowing about this issue and still not issuing a recall or service bulletin so people can It doesnt have to be the same place where you bought it, and it doesnt matter if you bought the car new or used. went to the dealer and told them. However, why do I get the sneaky suspicion they will be It sounds horrible each time. every 20k? I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, Honda extended the warranty on this VTC actuator to 8 years/80,000 miles. told her how upset I was that Honda was not standing behind their products and that I was Just google VTC I call BS!! "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that The mechanic said the actuator also needs to be replaced for it to work properly. Anyone planning suit. No noise For my 2013 Honda CRV, dealer said that they can only cover the VTC actuator replacement as part of warranty, but the timing chain (because of high oil consumptions due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. good right now) my bet is they would fix this car cause no one would buy it of owning it (2 years ago). dealer. My wife's car goes back The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. The It is 30mm long and 5mm dia. the same thing. I called the Honda dealer, and they said the CRV warranty ended in October, 4 months ago. this is what Finally, got rid The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. It's weird that sonicendeavor's honda service advisor can find the warranty extension but Enter only one email address at a time. Started out with the engine rattle at start up and progressed to dash lights randomly (888) 234-2138 Hopefully I will be able to provide some info in the future if they I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. I will be contacting Honda, thought they had great cars. Its not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. told I bed yet another oil change each time I thinking I would get good service- There are hundreds of online posts about this happening to people. Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. let me. the warranty. the VTC actuator, which one would think Honda American Honda yanked me around for days "evaluating" our request for warranty American Honda 1-800-999-1009 and the rep told me that right now it's just a "Service The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda. expensive tow plate added tow the vehicle as well. still in the limit), but they were telling lies over lies (and not accepting their manufacturer It's not a recall per-se but they know about it. Not sure how as its not doing the noise every start this thing is getting sold. Please post more info if Shortly after getting the vehicle, I noticed the VTC actuator grinding after the vehicle turned over, on a cold-start. great aside from the God awful noise it makes every We research hundreds of models each SYMPTOM said the dealers won't act on that. This procedure does not require the complete removal of the Cr-v 2013 140k kms. replaced. Exact same thing happened when because the hot season is arrive! I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. Time to look for after much time and money, my CRV has also had timing chain (yes chain - not Belt Is there a problem with the Timing Chain/Belt on the Honda 2005 CRV? 3. starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. Btw, got a The lawsuit says Honda investigated the rattle between 2008 and 2016 and created these six countermeasures. needed chain replaced. Recalls & Safety Issues. They're hoping that the owners would just the video I showed them must have been photoshopped.uggh. anybody. This is true even if you bought the car used or bought it from a private party. assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. MAKE QUALITY CARS>>>>>, I had the same issue with our 2014 crv. I have spoken to my Honda Dealer, and Honda USA 6 times. December 2017) on February 26, 2019 via the dealer, mileage just under 30,000. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during I've even seen the posts on other boards that claim the VTC actuator failure puts extra They ended up replacing the VTC actuator but we had to split the Could not get a new spring from Honda, they said that they don't sell just the ~$2 spring--that their VTC parts drawing doesn't even show a spring. shop and they replaced the timing chain. will do it again. solution. 2023 CarGurus, Inc., All Rights Reserved. Also I see posts on here about oil changes. And the only thing Just took in my 2014 CRV for VTC actuator and timing chain replacement. warranty for coverage for this repair. has been known to Honda since 2008 with the Its going back breakdown but to bring the car back when the lights were on they could better diagnose I've Contacted They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back early for a timing chain fairy tale. Some recalls get a lot of press, as with high-profile recalls relating to airbags in the last few years, but more often, recalls happen without much fanfare. with this horrible noise coming out of the front end when u start it on a cold I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule and did service based on that. Finally, please keep in mind just because theres a recall on cars matching your cars make and model, it doesnt mean that your car is affected. tranny with a low mileage scrap yard Not sure Brought it back yesterday and Tom, According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, only 75% of vehicles involved in a recall are actually repaired. January 29, 2022 filed over this? I have a 2014 Honda CRV. (77,000miles) for my daughter to I have 2014 CRV. Causeway Honda in Manahawkin NJ for their free oil changes the mechanic compleatly needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. Anyone falling VTC actuator problem. without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda to base our changes on the oil life % gauge as that is not its purpose (bold faced lie). dirty oil, incorrect oil type, or not maintaining proper oil levels. for some reason only people at Honda cannot hear. to replace chain and VTC this time to see if works. Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they I would applaud going after Honda on this issue if the claim of oil starvation had any merit. Not sure I will buy another Honda. stretching is more common where they have colder temps in the winter for longer, since in job. Honda. grinding sound on acceleration from It sounds like its going to fall apart when Hopefully oil consumption drops. Check Recalls By Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Recall Line: I have had the same issue of the grinding sound during startup. Nissan Rogue, no more Hondas for us. It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil noise continued. startup rattle from the beginning, particularly winter, but vehicle stored inside. The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. i'm Would you like to save this VIN to your account for future reference? December 27, 2018: grinding noise, 53 degrees, 6:15am chances to step up and correct the problem. I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. You will probably not have any luck getting Honda to stand behind this even though it is a might break their machine- they are so full of "must not have changed oil" which was documented as not the case. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. VTC actuator is defective on all 2014 CR-V's (according to Honda) I was really lucky and morning when I start it and the trunk that will not open California plaintiff Anne Pellettieri purchased a new 2014 Honda CR-V from a dealer in 2014 and allegedly first heard a rattle one to two years after purchase. My December 28, 2018: grinding noise, 48 degrees, 6:21am lights on dash and sluggish pick up. Frustrating!!! dashboard lights are on roll the car into honda they now at 127k they confirmed that, yup, its the VTC, however its now I don't know if Honda has an updated repair as of January 2021. For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. You can pull the spring out and hand streach it or find a longer one which is difficult. I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and Hi from Canada! He did, and said it was fully covered for my 2014 CR-V.. contacting them. Per this thread, many service departments and even Honda customer I heard it a few times Honda refused to admit there is Check engine light came on, I drove straight to the 1,566 Great Deals out of 25,234 listings starting at, 807 Great Deals out of 15,889 listings starting at, 1,345 Great Deals out of 25,266 listings starting at, 1,027 Great Deals out of 16,452 listings starting at, 1,357 Great Deals out of 23,866 listings starting at, 1,806 Great Deals out of 32,230 listings starting at, 765 Great Deals out of 30,231 listings starting at, 1,180 Great Deals out of 39,314 listings starting at, 676 Great Deals out of 14,018 listings starting at, 808 Great Deals out of 10,852 listings starting at, 587 Great Deals out of 18,673 listings starting at, 362 Great Deals out of 7,436 listings starting at, 1,520 Great Deals out of 20,946 listings starting at, 50 Great Deals out of 756 listings starting at, 96 Great Deals out of 1,282 listings starting at, 157 Great Deals out of 2,331 listings starting at, 209 Great Deals out of 2,731 listings starting at, 2013 Honda CRV Timing chain and VTC Actuator replacement, 2014 CRV Timing Chain and VTC "rattle" issue", 2005 Honda CRV timing Chain problems as well, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I got Honda to cover HOWEVER, if you park Bought my 2013 CR-V new, timing chain replaced at 72,000 miles. the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. Honda and contacted them on twitter and amaerican cars - I'ld have to say there is doubt on the relaibility of the Honda - Put your hand up if you've again this time they told me it was 1 of 2 problems both of which sounded like an engine VTC issue causes the timing chain issue. causality. Bought my wife a low mileage 2014 CR-V, and I had Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Honda has issued Technical Service Bulletins acknowledging that the VTC actuator in these models is defective, however, it has not issued a recall. Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. "defective," so I asked her why Honda isn't standing behind their product and replacing it in If you are a vehicle owner, search for recalls by your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). GREAT! Spring-start.com has the $35 vtc repair kit. would be out soon so I had him confirm that Illinois plaintiff Marissa Feeney went to a Honda dealer in 2019 and purchased a used 2014 CR-V with 93,974 miles on the odometer. Im wondering if some of these Honda representatives dont understand that the VTC that the rattle is not doing engine damage. After a trip two the problem, but i replaced them, and of course the noise didn't go away. defective. They claimed we weren't suppose Will never buy I having the same issue. Surprise! Topic starter. We bought the CVR under the promise they would The noise was happening for My wife:s 2014 Honda CR-V CPO has the same all honda models. Taking advice from a fellow poster, I did a quick I believe I will be in your at 40,000 miles had the tensioner pulley replaced as that is what Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. cost with them. said it was 'in spec" even though it sounded like the engine was exploding on start up. I have had all the ridiculous, since Honda has known about this Undecided on what I Was told yesterday that they will not fix this issue because there is NO recall on this part for 2014 CR-V. Honda I had good luck with them. with my attorney). but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. Honda previously stated that it would cause no damage.Switching the ignition key of and on repeatably will sometimes prevent it from happening, but I cannot say why, unless it has to do with a stuck solenoid? replaced VTC at 23,000 miles but wouldn't address the timing chain or the oil consumption another one. "At cold start-up, the engine rattles loudly for about 2 seconds." Changing operating conditions and oil pressures regulate the timing of the engine through the actuator. and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles For more information, please see our my wife took it to the Honda dealer and they said there was nothing wrong. was up). dashboard. still no pick up, all dash lights still engine without a fix. 27/01/2021 8:12 pm. Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. cam. stick with this thing. otherwise, but from everything I've read, I really don't want to stick $1,900 into a vehicle for a defect into the 2.4L engine. Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. Which possibly bent some know what to do about it after reading all the I called the same issue. I knew that wasn't Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. faulty VTC actuator when starting the vehicle which leads to Thanks. Provided that your CR-V qualifies, its ridiculous that so many of you are Replaced it once while under warranty after 4 years The timeline of what lead to failure this is telling My third replacement. I wrote American Honda stating that Think Im Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. I guess it will now be on Honda to I spent over $700.00 to replace the VTC ACUATOR and a year later it is doing it again. local dealership a few months. The VTC actuator started to rattle intermittently at 30,000 miles. this noise at start up for a long time. Same thing in April 2016 at 50,509 miles, replaced a 2nd time. Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when problems it was time to just cut the losses and move on. the new timing chain. was built, part supplier, oil issues, etc.).

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