Wife is shocked after husband of 15 years asks for permission to have an affair: 'I don't know what to do'. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. FLOTHE: Did he point the gun at you at any time? As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. Cindy Paulson Interview with Sgt. Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. CINDY: Like a convertible (inaudible), 1978 Buick Century 4-Door Sedan (This photo is NOT Hansens Buick, but it is similar). (crying) And I was supposed to meet him but I didnt show up cause I overslept. CINDY: No. Dont worry. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. And I was just running. How do you feel about the final film now that youve seen it? CINDY: Yeah. If Im unsure of something, I promise to tell you, and yall the dates in this case about drove me nuts. FLOTHE: And did you pick an individual out that was This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. FLOTHE: Did you notice anything about the sights? When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? FLOTHE: Were the handcuffs tight? Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? CINDY: Yes, directly. Despite his growing rap sheet, Hansen escaped notice when Anchorage women soon began to disappear. CINDY: A little moustache. Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on Hansen was the subject of a 2013 film titled, 'The Frozen Ground,' which starred Nicolas Cage as an Alaskan State Trooper investigating the slayings, with actor John Cusack portraying Hansen. Its very specific and unique, and its that type of film. You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. FLOTHE: And then you overslept and consequently didnt meet him. It became very accessible to me. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. This is a very intense film. FLOTHE: Number five. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. About four stairs to get into the house. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? She Gets rescued By an patrol Officer. She left the ADN in October 2018. Hudgens: Its important for me because its easy for people to make snap judgments about young women in her position. Stephen Hoage, operations administrator for the state medical examiner's office said: 'We know what happened to her. He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. Uh, the first time I seen CINDY PAULSON was about a block west of, I think its a 76 station on the corner there of Gambell and 5th. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. Wonderful tram tour guide Cindy is starting her fourth year as a trail tram tour driver for MCRF. CINDY: Number five. CINDY: Yes. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. 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Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? That opens the door to me being accessible and fully embraced and thats powerful. Do you remember what hes driving on Friday? And he was very kind and giving as an actor, as well as John. When it was time for Hansen to go to prison, his plea agreement included a request, according to accounts at the time: He would do his time outside Alaska. Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. CINDY: Uh huh. She described the kidnapper and his plane to authorities, but when police questioned him, he had an alibi and a gentle demeanor, so they let him go. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? (pause) He confessed to sometimes releasing the women in the woods in order to stalk and hunt them before the murders. On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. (inaudible) FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. Robert Hansens first encounter with Cindy Paulson seemed inauspicious. Handle was brown. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. My dream is to purchasing what I need to get that YouTube/patreon off the ground. He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. (pause) CINDY: OK. The cause of death will be determined by the medical examiner but it appears he died of natural causes, she said. Hudgens: I dont like talking about anything until I sign my contract, which I havent done yet, but it will happen most likely pretty soon. Normally, people try avoiding that. You know, I was supposed to meet him. There was also a collection of newspaper articles about the killer and his missing victims, and a map with little X marks all over it which indicated where hed dumped his victims. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. We recently landed an exclusive interview with Hudgens who talked about her reaction when she first read the script, how meeting the real Cindy Paulson helped inform her portrayal of the character, why it was important to her that audiences see Paulson as a real human being and not a stereotype, what she learned from working with experienced actors like Cage and Cusack who inspired her performance, how Walkers enthusiasm and energy kept the atmosphere on set upbeat despite the dark subject matter, and what she discovered about herself in the process of making the film. FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. I overslept. Email khopkins@adn.com. He spent many of the final years of his life working as a jailhouse barber. Robert chased after his intended victim, but it was no use. FLOTHE: He had an automatic garage door opener? This led to her becoming known by many as 'Horseshoe Harriet' within the state's medical examiner's office. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. CINDY: All right. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. Police suspected the real death toll was even higher. CINDY: About ten minutes. Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. CINDY: The automatic opener. Hansen owned a bakery in a downtown mini mall and lived across town with his wife and children, who knew nothing of his double life. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. I chatted there with her a little bit and, uh, made an agreement with her that I was going to see her sometime. CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. What was it like working with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack? The security guard at that time FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? 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He had already tortured and raped her, and she was still handcuffed when she ran from his car to flag down passing traffic. Episode 7: The Frozen Ground. See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. When police were able to interview her, she explained her grizzly tale in detail. Is there anything else that you have coming up? With a cut in the back. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. There were horns. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/. Its another fun, more light-hearted character that the audiences have never seen me do before. When Hansen drove up to Paulson and propositioned her, she agreed to get into his car. As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. And um, after he had got the condom on, I kept doing it, and then he kept feeling around my neck, like he was just trippin, playing around with my neck and my necklaces. Buck teeth. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? Why not be the first to send us your thoughts, He was right to worry, state officials later said. However, she was never identified and Hansen died last month aged 75, while serving a 461-year sentence in Alaska. On the floor instead there was an airplane seat. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). So you go into the garage, what happens then, when you get into the garage? Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. CINDY: In jeans. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. FLOTHE: OK. And hes driving the same car. Ducks and birds. Your email address will not be published. to start my podcast and YouTube channel. And then up here on my hand, right in the middle. He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. No comments have so far been submitted. CINDY: Um hmm. I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. CINDY: Uh huh. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. Investigators believe that before killing his victims, Robert would often take them to his cabin in the wilderness in his private jet. You enjoy my work and would like to read exclusive articles, you can join my Patreon for as little as $3! Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. It had a long barrel. FLOTHE: Horns? CINDY: Yep. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. And if Im not mistaken I think he got green or blue eyes. FLOTHE: Like this? All Rights Reserved., https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity. All rights reserved. FLOTHE: You think if I showed you some pictures of some cars later on you might be able to pick it out? I mean He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. At the motel, police found 17-year-old Cindy Paulson, still handcuffed, huddled fearfully in a room. The woman tried to escape and he pulled out a gun, he said. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. Robert had been in the habit of keeping a souvenir from most of his hunting sessions, whether it be wild game or women. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. Profiling is really an incredible science, its amazing how even the littlest details about a killer can be told by their crimes. It was just shocking and disturbing. The hair on the back of his neck stood up and his neck got red, and he was pissed," Rothschild said in a phone interview Thursday. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. Process Intensification with BC:Ntensify, Technology and Innovation Leadership Team, Brown and Caldwell looks to the future of 75 years and counting, Black History Month and Engineers Week: Why I became an engineer. CINDY: Im positive. So it was nice to kind of test my own mental and physical strength. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? Join Facebook to connect with Cindy Paulson and others you may know. Brown shoes. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. He was also an avid hunter. He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. When he reached the Glenn Highway, he kept driving. Flothe said. The killer received a 461-year sentence in February 1984, pleading guilty to four of the murders. And hes short. We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. I operated behind a work persona. CINDY: I talked to him and made an appointment to meet him and I didnt show up. I wish we could say for sure that this was Roberts final victim, but its thought that there were probably more. The Butcher Baker Minisode. When will it be released? Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. For only $3 you can help this site stay up and running! And he fuckin had a tan or an Army green tan coat or Army green And boots. Hudgens: Its interesting that actors put themselves in a place where they can feel so hurt and feel so much pain. Your email address will not be published. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. Humans could have wings, tentacles or an extra ARM 'in the next few decades' thanks to leaps in human DIY fruit and veg! When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. Fly to remote areas to kill them and then go home and be able to interview,. 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