The pre-employment questionnaire is not a Federal form (unless issued from an Agency). But what if someone has security clearance, can a debt collector call the debtor's employer and have their security clearance revoked? Not likely. majority of the persons life so it can be determined if he or she I know they have access to my previous forms and my enlistment paperwork. The pre-employment forms are usually used to head off problems before they occur. If they're decent at their job they'll ask pointed questions about specific drugs or incidents. People also theoretically mature with time. In deciding whether to grant, deny or revoke a security clearance, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) expects applicants to provide full and . If they think he's dishonest, lying, or otherwise a risk, he's not getting his clearance. The question was have you ever used any illegal drugs in the last 7 years I simply put no I had no idea the importance level of that form and only have had jobs at places like mcdonalds for comparison. To be completely honest, I would start browsing around for other MOSs that dont require clearance (if there even are any). But as others have said, don't lie. Two Options After Lying on the SF-86 In this situation, there are really only two such options - and lying again isn't one of them: 1. Hey there! You definitely have a fraudulent enlistment issue. Privacy Policy. It's only activated as a requirement by the organization. They went back and asked the apartment next door about me. There's a chance they might not even call you. Ask questions about security clearance process, how to fill out SF86 forms, adjudicative guidelines, security clearance investigations and more. I should have never listened to my friends or family regarding lying on it. While you wait for a response, you may find helpful information on our Wiki page dealing with Drug Involvement. Cookie Notice What do you guys think. The prudent, self-interested thing to do would be to decline to participate and say no more. they likely will speak with people he did not directly refer them to. How long was this job firing? I do believe he was administratively separated. 5? The adjudication examines a sufficient period of the candidate's life to make an affirmative determination that the person is an acceptable security risk; the number of years in the candidate's life covered . I recently applied, interviewed, and was hit up by a recruiter for a software developer position for a defense contracting company (think general dynamics but not GM). For more information, please see our I have obtained my top secret clearance. Categories Blog And you smoked dope, and snorted coke. If they don't really care you may get a "do they have a problem with drugs?" I am guessing it is a security clearance for a company that does work for the . To help us make this determination, we ask that you complete all items on the back of this form and return the form in the enclosed envelope. Idk I hate how I put myself in this stupid predicament. Reply. or viewing does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship. And I left that off the security clearance paperwork. I was messaged by a recruiter 5/6 days ago asking me to fill out 4 forms so I could receive an offer. I was referring to the job that you were fired from. Using Fed Hiring Clearance for Contractor Role. If I was the boss I'd launch an investigation into their shoddy practices but I'm not the boss. Fave social platform: ClearanceJobs! The security clearance background investigation process falls under federal guidelines, therefore any criminal charges must be filed in a Federal District Court by the charging agency. Depending I dont write that to insult you, rather for you to see it from clearance division perspective. People in bad financial states are a risk because they may be tempted to take money in exchange for violating their clearance. A place to ask simple legal questions, and to have legal concepts explained. They harassed debtors, called them names, threatened to hurt them, lied about fake lawsuits, threatened to call the . Lying about reportable issues is a no-no, lawyer or not, and is harder to mitigate than most original issues. Security clearance decisions regarding eligibility for access to classified information seek to assess a candidate's trustworthiness. The deciding agency or organization who discovered the violation, after affording the individual due process, has a few options available. What's good is that you recognize that you are in the wrong and thankfully not majorly so. And then they're going to find Tim and ask him about Friend. Its not that clear or that simple. For the majority of clearance holders, a Privacy Act request through the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency provides the necessary information. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Do you know how to get in touch with Tim?" If its someone at a former company that wouldnt help to determine your eligibility for employment or security clearance, maybe list another reference. Thats it. For help setting up your myGovID, visit www.mygovid.gov.au . Basically, the DOD wants to establish that you are honest and trustworthy based on previous behavior. Perhaps there is a civil attorney way of handling this? Should I mention my domestic violence arrest or my DUI? When filling out the Questionnaire for National Security Positions (SF-86) there is a section right after the instructions you have to acknowledge as having read. Misconstrued information on the form grounds for separation from the military. And since Tim wasn't briefed by Friend to lie, Tim's gonna tell the truth about their partying days. You definitely have a fraudulent enlistment issue. (They had no opinion on me.)] A commenter on the thread seconds saying, denials dont come from testimonies; they lead us (background investigators) to official records, etc.. Answer (1 of 3): very much so. denied a security clearance. Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. Top Secret or SCI is a much more invasive process. Can the investigators access previous OPM investigation profiles? Polygraph exams (or "lie detector tests") raise a great deal of concern to applicants. They can overlook long ago drug use. While they technically could falsify information on the form, background investigators will inquire for more information through other sources for any issues that come up. The drug use question is for 7yrs. Everyone's telling you not to lie, and they're right. It falls under 18 USC 1001. If he is willing to lie to the federal government to conceal his behaviors he can be compromised by outside forces and should in no way ever have a security clearance. The investigators are good at their jobs and are likely to discover the truth without OPs help. This I dont agree with. Thank you in advance and thanks to all the people posting info on this sub if it werent for this i would have no idea what i was getting into! Democrats have called on the White House to revoke Kushner's security clearance CNN The head of a government bureau responsible for clearing background checks told lawmakers Wednesday he. representative, they can be What if I Lie When Applying for Security Clearance. Began process with intern company (August 2019), ended up lying about marijuana and prior drug use that occurred over a year and a half ago. Katie Keller is a marketing fanatic that enjoys anything digital, communications, promotions & events. All my questions are pretty much directly handled by the recruiter i havent had any contact with any security officer from the company and the interviewer i met once and i have no contact info for. I am completely unfamiliar with the clearance process. This I was truthful on. That is the risk-minimising course of action and the one I would recommend were I OPs lawyer (which I certainly am not). The agency can also submit a request to OPM for them to initiate action to debar the individual government-wide, but considering the levels of bureaucracy and time involved, this rarely happens. I'm curious then, if you suspect that someone has misrepresented in an interview, do you make a note about that interviewee's veracity that might become part of their record in the event they were to ever apply for clearance? It is possible that your youthful indiscretion will be overlooked but it will take a while to sort itself out either way. Contact a Military OneSource non-medical counselor at 800-342-9647 to help you identify the kind of help you need and put you in . Email lindy.kyzer@clearancejobs.com. You can mention the issue at that time. Provocatively asked to make a pointHow often did you use once you joined? And, "Why should anyone believe you? " When you applied for security clearance, did you leave accidentally leave Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. If youre not currently employed, the process of ascertaining your security clearance status becomes a bit trickier. If it's the latter, don't answer questions based on heresay. If youre currently working with a cleared recruiter to pursue a new opportunity, they should also be able to verify your security clearance status in DISS or Scattered Castles. Im not sure on that. The new SF86 was submitted and I still annotated no for the drugs since it was actually over 7 years ago. ago, will it matter? or Will they catch it if I dont Security Clearance Top reasons security clearances get denied or revoked There are many reasons security clearances get denied or revoked. The terrible attack and advice you and your cronies are giving to a young man who honorably served his country and made a mistake was shocking and unacceptable. You risk possible criminal charges for lying to the feds. The primary goal of the background check is to determine if the subject can be trusted to maintain the integrity of their clearance. Ivanka Trump received her clearance around the same time. When a candidate applies for The best is to get it over with now. Appreciate it. For more information, please see our I understand that if I withhold, misrepresent, or falsify, information on this form, I am subject to the penalties for inaccurate or false statement per US criminal code title 18 section 1001 denial or revocation of a security clearance, and/or removal and debarment from Federal Service. The idea is that this is blackmail material. But facts dont matter, right? While filling out these forms and when being asked questions by the above Privacy Policy. It was not an ever question. inspected. Whether youve obtained a security clearance in the past or currently hold one, knowing your clearance status including expiration date, issuing agency and other details is important both for your career progression and your job search. College senior going into first year of work and am receiving forms to begin with my security clearance process. Learn from this mistake and keep your nose clean . Edit: also the level of incorrect information in here is worrisome. Lindy Kyzer is the director of content at ClearanceJobs.com. Past drug us or partying in college doesn't necessarily mean they can't be trusted. On December 21, 2021, particularly in response to the changing landscape of marijuana use under state law, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines issued a memorandum clarifying the guidance. I have been clean since then and been hanging out with a much better crowd that doesnt associate themselves with that sort of thing. Falsifying information on the SF-86 is a felony that can result in fines or five years in prison. They can NOT overlook lying about it. What, if anything, you decide to do about . The SF-86 security questionnaire filled out by all security clearance applicants requires reporting any mental health counseling or treatment received during the previous 7 years unless it is. Let a few more years pass. We send a separate inquiry to the personnel office and each supervisor shown on the persons application; therefore, please do not forward this for completion by someone else.. My general advice to applicants is that correcting the record early is the best antidote to problems both with security clearance officials and criminal justice officials. Follow your usual routine. When you get your EQIP link to fill out your SF86, list the drug use. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn appears to have lied to security clearance investigators by telling them he was paid by "U.S. companies" when he traveled to Russia in. So LOTS of questions about drugs, gambling and spending habits. Anybody else have any experience with this? You will likely be advised of 4 things prior to the interview, the purpose, the creds of the Investigator, the Privacy Act of 1974, and it being an unclassified conversation. A person enlists before the SF 86 is completed - dont they?. If they catch a whiff of deception on the part of the applicant, its game over, man. I joined the Reserves back in 2013 where I annotated I did not do drugs on my Secret SF86. According to those reports, Trump pushed for security clearances to be granted to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner against the wishes of intelligence officials and his own White House staff.. Falsifying information on the SF-86 is a felony that can result in fines or five years in prison. This means, without a reason to obtain one, applying for a clearance isn't a process you can initiate on your own without a sponsor. Many security clearance applicants contact the National Security Law Firm seeking information about the polygraph examination. You fill out the SF-86 and for fear of not getting the job offer, omit the fact that you used marijuana and misused prescription drugs a few times while in college. Here it is: One year ago, I applied for a Secret clearance. 2023 ClearanceJobs - All rights reserved. So where does that leave us as far as punishing the individual? ], They're going use all those interviews to build up a picture about Friend's life, and its going to have Friend and maybe some of Friend's direct references saying "Hey, yeah, he did a little pot at a party once", and its gonna have a whole bunch of extended contacts saying "Oh, god, he was wasted on coke every weekend and he was high in pretty much every class I ever had with him, and once he was so out of it he drove his car into a cow pastur -- oh, he said it was icy and he lost control? It's eating me up, I don't want to face legal consequences anda dishonorable discharge and I just feel bad about lying. 21 comments share save hide report 72% Upvoted This thread is archived . " All reliable, past and present information about the applicant, The security clearance background investigation process falls under federal guidelines, therefore any criminal charges must be filed in a Federal District Court by the charging agency. You lied. The security clearance process ensures your ability to securely access, manage, and protect classified information. Just decline to give the interview. Sometimes these events, while negative, happened years earlier and the Many applicants worry that . Imagine this scenario: you just graduated college and are offered a job that requires eligibility for a security clearance. At this point you have two choices: 1) answer the new form honestly, be prepared to get followup questions and maybe even get denied, or; 2) give up on the idea of ever working a job that requires any kind of background investigation. Security clearance permits access to classified national security information. Your best and safest option at this point is to say nothing. Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. In addition to being truthful, here are four rules to keep in mind if you need to take a polygraph for a government position. WASHINGTON President Trump revoked the security clearance of John O. Brennan, the former C.I.A. If you're ready to seek help for any type of psychological or personal issue, you have many counseling service options. So, my recruiter basically told me to lie at MEPS about ever smoking weed. Who decides if I get a security clearance? Press J to jump to the feed. Another option is to tell the hiring manager the truth, which will probably knock you out of consideration. It is a federal crime to lie to an investigator for background checks. They may also be interviewed by their employer, a security If a pre-employment questionnaire asked about drug use it may be because they already know this may be a reason your clearance would be denied. While I understand the urge to want to hide past indiscretions, its always better to be honest about these things. Ive personally known a Sgt with 8 years being investigated for something he was innocent of. ClearanceJobs is a DHI service. His was adjudicated favorably. This was a lie as I had smoked weed a couple times from 2010 - 2013 and tried cocaine once in 2011. Admin separation most likely. 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As long as you aren't a terrible airman in other areas, I seriously doubt this is grounds for discharge. We frequently warn of the importance of security clearance applicants being honest on government forms, including the SF-86 security clearance application. But if someone knew he hid it, it could be used to influence him. I cant tell you that everything will work out fine if you come clean, but if you get turned down this time maybe you can apply again in a year. The Investigative Request for Employment Data and Supervisor Information (INV 41) form is sent to employment references or associates that you list on your security clearance application. Do I have to give a reason? <br><br>My background also includes being an experienced threat . Ok see now this makes a ton more sense then what Ive been getting from various other sources (security rep and DCSA applicant knowledge center included). Jared Kushner lied on his form. A security clearance is like a background check. Answer (1 of 4): You mean committed multiple military law felonies, by omitting that information? Its amazing. I failed to mention the one and only time I ever did any drugs. is worthy of a security clearance, and not considered a security The U.S. government provides this clearance only to federal employees and contractors whose job duties require secure access. To make sure that they know EVERYTHING about him because if they already know he can't be blackmailed later. Your friend has asked you to commit a criminal offense. Right now I'm thinking I'll just lie for him. Youth will mitigate the lie somewhat, as will the fact that you are coming clean on it yourself instead of waiting for someone to confront you with the issue (it could come out in the interviews of your family and/or friends). You can decline to participate with no repercussions. I'm late to the party but I actually conduct these field investigations for clearances and have some useful insight here. My question is how will this affect my chances for TS? official, an investigator, a government representative, or a competent Interested in discussing 'Consequences of Lying or Withholding Information During a Background Investigation'? I appreciate your candor. I know when it comes to adjudication it can vary depending on the situation or even the judge assigned to the case. Come Clean and Tell the Truth. Its curious though. Under no circumstances should you lie, and your friend is a total asshole for asking you to. Also a practical matter. This has been the norm for a couple decades. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. So, bottom line: chill tf out it's not a big deal. She has 8+ years in the DoD supporting multiple contractors with recruitment strategy, staffing augmentation, marketing, & communications. You are expected to answer only what they ask. Joe Jabara / Feb 19, 2020. Will do, thank you. Option 2. If you are notified of an intent to deny or revoke your security clearance, you have the right . Kushner was not granted full security clearance until May of 2018, almost a year and a half into his role as a senior advisor pertaining to matters in the Middle East. Remember, seeking help early to improve your performance is a sign of strength and commitment. security clearance, the individual must go through what is called the adjudicative I've done a few interviews as a reference for background checks, and I've always been candid. The first step is filling out the SF-86 form (with all truthful answers) before it goes through an investigative process initiated by the OPM or an outside agency that is contracted by the OPM. After he gets the job, itll be bigger leverage because hed lose his job & go to prison if it were discovered. During the adjudicative process, a "I was granted a top-secret clearance by the U.S. Department of Defense to work on particularly sensitive programs," Ossoff told reporters on March 30. Now I'm freaking out. A computer sends everything out initially, for all case types. If you're currently employed, checking on your clearance is easy - simply request your Facility Security Officer inquire about the status of your clearance. But now that you have lied, the Army may chose to separate you for lying in your application. Its still useful to inquire about your most recent investigation date and CE status before you depart one cleared position for another, or separate from military service. You can double down on the lie and leave it off of your application again but you need to be aware that you may need a poly at some time in the future and that may not go well if you are already conflicted about lying. 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